Arthur Osborne: Bhagavan was reclining on his couch and I was sitting in the front row before it. He sat up, facing me, and his narrowed eyes pierced into me, penetrating, intimate, with an intensity I cannot describe. It was as though they said: “You have been told; why have you not realized?” ["Fragrant Petals", Pg 44]

Saturday, August 3, 2013

“Dietary Concerns”


Folks, the title above is taken from a sub-chapter in the book “Conscious Immortality”, the contents of which quite neatly encapsulate Sri Bhagavan’s teachings on what constitutes the appropriate dietary intake for a spiritual aspirant. Specifically, the issue is - what should be our approach towards non-vegetarian food, alcohol, tobacco and drugs, the 4 items traditionally considered taboo in mainstream Hinduism.
 
The issue is important as in modern times, at least one, if not several, of these items may be sometimes consumed by even the serious sadhakas.  The use of the first two particularly, is found to be easier to rationalize away.  What can be the problem with just that occasional omelette for breakfast, or that lovely cake with eggs, after all I am not eating meat proper? Or, surely I can have that one glass of beer with my buddies, after all it is not hard liquor; and it is just once in a while? Also, some may feel that tobacco/ganja or even the harder stuff should be alright as, after all, ganja is said to be imbibed by Lord Siva Himself, and there is a history of its usage by some devotees of Bhagavan in the olden days. Sadly, in my humble opinion, they would all be grievously harming their aspirations as even lay sadhakas, forget as the more serious ones. And this post attempts to lay down the argument as to how critically important it is to completely stay away from these items. The topic came up as a dear friend of mine was looking for references as to what Bhagavan had said with respect to all this, and I thought that it may, perhaps, make for an interesting post on the blog as well.
 
 
First, the extract:  
 
[From: "Conscious Immortality", by Paul Brunton & Mungala Venkataramiah; “Dietary Concerns”, Pg 15]
 
Q:   What about diet?
 
M:   Food affects the mind. The right food makes it more sattvik. For the practice of any kind of yoga, vegetarianism is absolutely necessary.
 
Q:   What about those not accustomed to a vegetarian diet?
 
M:   Habit is only adjustment to the environment. It is the mind that matters. The fact is that the mind has been trained to think certain foods tasty. Nourishment may be obtained from vegetarian food no less than from flesh. But the realized person’s mind is not influenced by the food eaten. However, get accustomed to vegetarianism gradually.
 
Q:   But if it is a matter of non-killing, then even plants have life.
 
M:   And so do the tiles you are sitting on!
 
Q:   Could one receive spiritual illumination while eating meat?
 
M:   Yes. But abandon it gradually and accustom yourself to sattvik food. Once you have attained illumination, what you eat will make less difference, just as on a great fire it is immaterial what fuel is added.
 
…………
 
Q:   Do you recommend that meat and alcohol be given up?
 
M:   Yes. It is a useful aid in the beginning. The difficulty in surrendering them is not that they are really necessary, but that we have become habituated to them. Until the mind is firm in realization, it must have some picture or idea to dwell on, or else the meditation will quickly give way to sleep or (wandering) thoughts. There is a subtle essence in all food; it is this which affects the mind. So for those who are practicing meditation to find the Self, dietetic rules have been laid down, which it is advisable to follow. Sattvik foods promote meditation, whereas rajasik food like meat and tamasik food [basically drugs, alcohol and tobacco] hinder it.
 
Q:   Why do you take milk but not eggs?
 
M:   Domesticated cows yield more milk than their calves require and they find it a pleasure to be relieved. Eggs contain potential lives.
 
…………
 
Q:   Is it harmless to continue smoking?
 
M:   No, tobacco is a poison. It is better to do without it. Tobacco gives only a temporary stimulation to which there must be a reaction with craving for more. Also, it is not good for meditation practice.
 
Q:   Is there any drug to promote meditation?
 
M:   No, because afterwards the user would be unable to meditate without taking it habitually. Those who take opium or alcohol are unconsciously seeking the blissful thoughtless state of the real Self. They get an intimation of this state by drugs, but afterwards they must resume their normal state and the craving comes back even stronger until they become chronic addicts and slaves to the substance. With all such stimulants there must be a fall. If the mind is subdued, everything is conquered.
 
 
[Note: for “tamasik food” above, “drugs, alcohol & tobacco” is my addition in square brackets]
 
The conversation given above is also repeated for a bit in “Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi”, probably as Mungala Venkataramiah is partly the common author of both books. But crucially, the references to alcohol and tobacco are missing there. In general, amongst all the books of reminiscences we have of Sri Bhagavan, we find that the injunction against non-vegetarian food crops up many times here and there. Anecdotes relating to drugs, ganja specifically, also appear, although infrequently. References to alcohol and tobacco but, are very rare. In that, the foregoing represents the most complete set of instructions given by Bhagavan on this matter, in one place.
 
Also, it may be noted how mildly worded are Bhagavan’s instructions. There is no vehemence or forcefulness imposed by Bhagavan in laying down the injunctions against the four items. But believe me folks, this should not be interpreted to mean that the sadhaka can be a bit easy-going when it comes to these things. The mild wording is typical of Bhagavan. And, in my humble opinion, this is “Bhagavan-speak” for as strong an injunction against these things as has been laid down by Bhagavan for anything at all.  
 
 
The Gunas
 
Bhagavan bases the injunctions on the 3 primary gunas (subtle qualities); i.e. all foods can be classified as having one or more of sattvik, rajasik or tamasik gunas. A quick recap here for those who may be unfamiliar with these terms: sattva is the quality of purity, of God and all things holy, of meditation, calmness and the attitude of contentment; rajas is the quality of passion, of desire, of action, of restlessness, of attachment; tamas is the quality of being jada, of a torpid inertness, of evil, of ignorance, and sleep. Foods, actions, nature of people, places etc. can all be classified as intrinsically having one or more of these three basic subtle qualities. So ultimately, God or Self-realization is achievable only when the sattvik nature predominates, nay, is the sole quality left in the aspirant. The sadhaka has to gravitate from the tamasik and rajasik elements into pure sattvikta. If he (or she) keeps on having tamasik or rajasik food items, which are intrinsically opposed to the sattvik nature of God, how is he (she) going to get anywhere? What we eat is what we become. And if we eat items whose subtle essence is tamasik or rajasik, as for the 4 items under consideration, we keep on creating headwinds for ourselves on our anyways difficult quest.
 
This, in fact, is the traditional stand in Hinduism which has always had the strongest of injunctions against these four items, and which is sometimes wrongly supposed to have arisen on moral, ethical or religious grounds. Not at all. In Scripture it is not that - if you are an alcoholic you are a great sinner, and will go to hell. The injunctions are based on the deleterious effect of these items on our subtle, core nature. In fact, they are derived from no less than the Bhagavad Gita Itself, wherein the concept of the gunas and their applicability in the sadhaka's life are laid out in elaborate detail in Chapter 14; and frequent references to the gunas carries on right till the end in Chapter 18.
 
 
Impact of the 4 non-sattvik items depends on our intrinsic sattva quality
 
If we are drinking alcohol, smoking away, eating meat etc. does that ab initio disbar us from God or Self-realization? Not at all. From Bhagavan's talk above we gather that the influence of these 4 items depends on the level of the intrinsic sattva within us. A ripe sadhaka, of a predominantly sattvik intrinsic nature, will effortlessly achieve Self-realization irrespective of what he might be eating. We have the example of Mastan Swami for this, who was given ganja to imbibe by misguided co-devotees (an anecdote follows later). For the average sadhaka but, the level of sattva in whom is still inadequate, the consumption of these 4 items will create enough headwinds so as to make his (her) spiritual goal very difficult to reach indeed. 
 
Bhagavan Himself, sattva personified, could take in anything and not be affected by it in the slightest. As He put it above, “Once you have attained illumination, what you eat will make less difference, just as on a great fire it is immaterial what fuel is added.”
 
 
On Ganja
 
Ganja, also called marijuana or cannabis, has been consumed in India from time immemorial by sadhus as, arguably, a drug dear to Lord Siva. It is considered by some to have sattvik qualities and may superficially help in Yoga practices. It merits special consideration here because in the olden days at Virupaksa and Skandasramam, there was a small group of bhaktas with Bhagavan who regularly made use of it. Under the pretext of Bhagavan’s rule of sharing everything with all equally, these devotees sometimes gave ganja to Bhagavan Himself, and also to other hapless devotees who happened to be around. There are only a few of these incidents recorded but they make for a fascinating read, because in them we have instances of one of the 4 prohibited items being consumed by devotees in Bhagavan’s holy presence Itself. Also, to the extent that ganja is probably the least objectionable of the 4 offending items, we can infer from His disapproval here, how much more strong His opposition to the other 3 items would be.     
 
 
[From: “Fragrant Petals”, Sri Ramanasramam Publication; “Above Orthodoxy & Unorthodoxy” by Krishna Bikshu, Pg 151; note: bhang is the thick paste produced by grinding green ganja leaves, it may be consumed directly as marble sized balls, or mixed into a milk based drink]
 
There was a still more extraordinary case in the early years of the Ashram. Some of the sadhakas used to take bhang (a hallucinatory drug sometimes used by sadhus), and they also would offer it to Bhagavan first to justify themselves. Bhagavan would accept it when offered and it had no effect on the serenity of His mind, since He had no mind to be disturbed. Once they offered some to Sri Kavyakantha Muni also, thinking thereby to justify its use by sadhakas, since Bhagavan was not a sadhaka but a mukta. Sri Ganapati Muni saw through their trick, however, and was about to curse them for their audacity, but the motherly spirit awoke in his wife who was present on the occasion, and she induced him to leave the scene, so that the miscreants escaped punishment.
 
 
[From: “Arunachala’s Ramana – Boundless Ocean of Grace”, Vol I, Sri Ramanasramam Publication; Vilacheri Ranga Iyer’s Reminiscences, Pg 516]
 
While Bhagavan was at Skandasramam, one bhakta used to find green ganja leaves and give a ball of it frequently to Bhagavan. “Another bhakta one day gave the same stuff in such quantity as might prove fatal”, Bhagavan’s mother told me. It seems that day Bhagavan’s eyes grew very red and he sat like that the whole day. Telling me this, she asked me to request Bhagavan not to take the stuff whoever may offer it. I then asked that bhakta not to give ganja to Bhagavan. I also requested Bhagavan not to take it thereafter. For that Bhagavan replied, “What to do? I have to take whatever is offered.”
 
 
[From: Mountain Path, Vol IX No. 1, January 1972; “Effects of an Indian Drug”, Pg 92; written by “Ramamani” based on conversations with Kunju Swami]
 
Seeing that Sri Bhagavan suffered from severe asthma and would do nothing about it, a devotee brought Purnadi Lehiyam [an Ayurvedic medicine] which contains ganja. This gave relief. But since Sri Bhagavan would not partake of anything if it was not given to others this was distributed to all present. But all could not stand it unaffected like Sri Bhagavan. Those who were sincere aspirants felt not merely an elation and indifference to environment but felt aided in their meditation. The effects varied and lasted for an hour or more. Sri Bhagavan put an end to it all and explained the merits and defects of this drug.
 
 
[From: Power of the Presence, Vol III, edited by David Godman; “Mastan”, Pg 27; anecdote on Mastan Swami recorded by Akhilandamma, when about ten of them were on Giripradakshina with Bhagavan]
 
On one of these occasions Mastan began to sing at the top of his voice. I had never heard him singing so loudly. “Mastan, what happened to you today?” asked Bhagavan as soon as the pradakshina was over. “You never ever sing, so why did you sing like that?”
 
“It was nothing,” replied Mastan, casually. “Perumal instructed me that I had to sing in order to ward off your drowsiness. To raise my spirits and to equip me for the job, he made me take a drink containing ganja.”
 
“So that’s what happened. Ganja intoxication was behind your wild singing. How many times have I told you that I need no external help to keep me awake? Also, I have told you before not to do anything for my sake. Don’t listen to other people who tell you differently.” Though Bhagavan rebuked Mastan in this way, I don’t think he took the criticism very seriously. Mastan was a very innocent man, and events like this didn’t touch him.
 
[Now, we know that Mastan Swami would go into spontaneous Samadhi in the presence of Bhagavan. There are the famous incidents from the Virupaksa Cave days when he would “freeze” the moment he touched the gate of the small compound there, and remain standing perfectly still for 6 to 7 hours. He was an extraordinarily ripe soul, and by the time of his passing away in 1931, was thought to be Self-realized by most devotees. Such a ripe sadhaka could casually imbibe ganja, and indeed any of the other non-sattvik items as well, without any impact on his spiritual quest. Note that he never himself had any desire for the ganja, neither for sadhana nor for pleasure. He took it in all innocence as it was given to him by a co-devotee, who told him it is for Bhagavan’s benefit].
 
 
[From: “Sri Ramana Reminiscences”, Sri Ramanasramam Publication; by G. V. Subbaramayya, Pg 36; from the text preceding, this conversation was probably in “the summer of 1939”.]
 
Incidently, Sri Bhagavan spoke about the use of drugs for practicing Yoga. He said, “I do admit that drugs have some beneficial effect. A certain drug can make the whole body melt and flow like the Milky Ocean. One Pattabhi told me that when he was given Chloroform before an operation he experienced a nectarous bliss and longed for that state again. The Chinese look like skeletons, but when they take opium, they feel like giants and do any difficult work. These drugs must however be taken limitedly and secretly. Otherwise all will demand them. Moreover, after some time the drug-habit will become a great force and obstacle from jnana (knowledge). Its addicts will not flinch from any crime to satisfy their craving. So it is best to remain desireless. Having seen the effects of all these drugs, I have decided that to BE as we are is best. To strive for knowing one’s Swarupa (Real Self) through Self-enquiry, though it may be a little difficult, is only the safe path.
 
 
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As an aside, let me add here an anecdote which suggests that the beneficial qualities as may be in ganja, come about only after some involved processing in a special way. In the original article this is not a direct quote from Bhagavan, but is clearly paraphrasing what He said on some occasion.  
 
[From: Mountain Path, 1972, op. cit.]
 
Also much depended on the way the drug was prepared. The leaves had to be fried in an earthen pot in a mild fire, washed in running water like a stream or waterfall for two days, soaked in lemon juice and boiling milk, and with other ingredients formed the drug proper. (It was observed that even qualified Ayurvedic practitioners did not make the drug along such rigorous lines of procedure or did not know about it at all).
 
 
 
A Final Word
 
I had mentioned how we sometimes rationalize our intake of tamasik items by saying, “It is just one glass of wine after all”, or, “There is just a small bit of egg in the cake, how can it matter? After all I don’t touch non-veg food or eggs otherwise”, and so on. Well folks, that was me - though many years ago now!  When first I came to Bhagavan, I was still going out the odd occasion with my friends from Engineering and Management schools, where I found it oh so difficult to refuse that glass of liquefied tamas! Peer pressure can be huge, to be a “cool” guy, to belong and be part of the shared camaraderie of the group. I knew clearly then also, that even small amounts of alcohol immediately affected my spiritual composure, as I would struggle so much more the next few days with meditation. But I was unwilling to clamp down on it with the determination needed. And so it was nothing but Bhagavan’s Grace then, that not so long after coming to Bhagavan, I encountered these lines of His:
 
[From: Mountain Path, 1972, op. cit.]
 
On one occasion He said: “If you cannot give up this habit you need not come here.”
 
The lines were a hammer blow for me. Even though Bhagavan was speaking in the context of ganja consumption, I felt that, nay, immediately knew with complete conviction, that He was directly telling me to give up every drop of alcohol, and even my favourite Black Forest pastries which had eggs in them. The tamasik and rajasik items had to go, wholly and completely. Or else He would not accept me as His sishya and I need not come to Him.
 
A cynical view may perhaps say that this is how the mind finds for itself a powerful artificial trigger from religion, to carry out actions that anyway it had wanted subconsciously to be done, but was not strong enough to do on its own. Perhaps so, don’t really care. Also, ultimately it did not even matter whether the odd glass of alcohol or the tiny bit of egg in a pastry could be harmful in sadhana or not. It was just that Bhagavan's instructions were categorical that these items had to go, and thus binding on all who considered themselves to be His followers. For me then, that was that. I never touched the stuff again.
 
And guess what folks, nowadays in Delhi we get the most brilliant Black Forest pastries that are completely eggless!
 
 

19 comments:

m said...

Dear Aravind,

Great post, as usual. The ending was quite powerful. I have to veer away from those cakes!

best,

Arvind Lal said...

Thanks m. Nice to hear from you!

Best wishes

Ravi said...

Arvind,
Very good article on Satvic AharA.This is absolutely important for a sadhaka-Master TGN carries it even further and strictly avoids items like Cauliflower and Honey;he avoids cauliflower as it has worms feeding on it and one has to abrogate it from them by dipping it in boiling water -he avoids honey because it is abrogated from the bees who have patiently and painstakingly gathered it in their hives and man just abrogates it!He also avoids Cheese as Rennet or Gelatin are used to prepare it.He has no objection if it is home made cheese.
He avoids sweets with silver foil as they are made by hammering thin sheets of silver in middle of booklets made of a bull's intestines.
Those interested may refer to this article:
http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/profiles/blogs/indian-sweets-silver-foils

Namaskar.

Arvind Lal said...

Thanks Ravi. Good to have you dropping by.

Yes, it is a bit of a horror story out there. For me the limit was when I read somewhere that some sugar companies use bone char in the manufacture of ordinary sugar. The bone char gives it the sparkling whiteness it seems!

For cheese, with the “vegan” movement being kinda in vogue these days, most cheese manufacturers will specify whether their products have purely vegetarian ingredients or not. I did some research once on what sort of cheese is used by the popular pizza & fast food people – and it seems they universally use cheese which is made from artificially synthesised rennet (as contrasted with animal rennet). In fact, their “veggie” pastas are the bigger problem, as the pasta sauce in some places has chicken fat.

Best wishes

m said...

Arvind and Ravi,

How about consuming food which contains 'garlic' and onion'? Bhagavan tells us that these two rajasic vegetables are also impediments in some passages in the 'Power of presence'.

I have not found any marked difference whilst consuming or not consuming them. But Bhagavan is always right. So, maybe, the effect of these two are more subtle?

Thanks.


Ravi said...

m,
Garlic is something that I do not like.coming to onion,I like and I have invariably noticed that eating it raw brings Heaviness to consciousness that i would brand as Tamasic.It is okay to boil it and include it in sambhar but eating it raw is definitely a drag.
Namaskar.

Arvind Lal said...

Hi m,

I believe that, outside of the 4 items as above in the post, Bhagavan was relatively neutral with respect to specific items within the vegetarian universe. So, the 4 items were not to be touched, but for particular non-sattvik veggies, it was more of an “advisory” to avoid them if possible. It came down then to personal choice as to what one was comfortable with, and what one could handle. Even garlic, properly cooked, and taken just once in while, would not be catastrophic.

I say this despite the “forbid” word appearing even for onions and garlic in the reminiscences, as mentioned by you. There is the famous story of the garlic plant related by Him in “Letters” [Letter 227, “All Tamasic Articles are forbidden”] wherein He mention that garlic is forbidden for sadhakas. In fact, He goes on to say that some other items (including overeating!) are forbidden as well:

“Yes. Watermelon, horseradish, drumsticks, onions and other similar vegetables are forbidden. The mind will be clear and pure depending on the sort of food one eats, sattvic or otherwise. If one overeats sambar, soup and boiled vegetables one will have to belch ‘Ho Ho’ and ‘Ha Ha’ and get worried over digesting it. If, however, one eats sattvic food with only one side dish, one digests it easily and will be happy. Who pays attention to such advice?”

But then we know that onions, and garlic sometimes, were used in the food prepared at Sri Ramanasramam, and even in the early days on the Holy Hill. Here is an anecdote from “Day by Day”, on 9.8.46, Afternoon:

“This morning we had gruel and groundnuts for breakfast. Bhagavan told us this sort of gruel used to be given to him by the famous Keerai Patti in those days and so they thought they would try and prepare the same here today. It is made of milk and rice, with fenugreek, a little garlic, a little dried ginger, a little salt and sugar. Bhagavan said that the gruel had not come out quite well and that a little more salt and sugar should have been added.”

Even more interestingly, there is the record of garlic being cooked by Bhagavan Himself for 2 young boys! This anecdote is from “Surpassing Grace”, Pg 55, by M. V. Krishnan:

“S.V. Ramanathan and M. V. Krishnan, sons of Munagala S. Venkataramiah came to the Ashram with their parents in the summer of 1930. They were just thirteen and ten years of age. One morning they were standing near the old dining hall (where now Sri Bhagavan's samadhi stands) when Ramu, the elder brother, remarked that for the last few days no onion sambar had been tasted by them. At that precise moment Sri Bhagavan was passing by the boys, as he was returning from the kitchen. He smiled and asked Ramu: "So, you want vengaaya (onion) sambar!" The boys blushed and kept quiet. Next morning, the boys were served with vengaaya sambar. Everybody thought it was onion sambar. Sri Bhagavan later in the day asked Ramu how he relished the sambar to which he replied: "Very well." Ramu, however, was surprised to know the truth only a few days later when his mother told him that what he ate was not onion but garlic sambar! There was no onion at that time in the Ashram and yet Sri Bhagavan wanted to fulfil the boy's wish. Through his expert culinary knowledge, he brought the smell and taste of onion to garlic itself!”

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Now we may well say that Bhagavan’s Divine touch made the garlic sattvik, and hence alright for the 2 young boys. Of course it did. But would He ever have cooked eggs for them? Or given them any of the other forbidden items? NEVER.

Thus, even tho’ it is preferred that the sadhaka stick to as sattvik a diet as he (she) can, the traditional injunctions with respect to specific vegetarian items are not so stringent. Onions? An occasional dish with garlic? In my humble opinion, shouldn’t really be a problem. As long as we remember to keep that mouth freshener handy that is!

Best wishes

Anonymous said...

Arvind,do you personally have onions and garlic?

Namastey

Arvind Lal said...

Anonymous,

Onions – Yes (cooked only); Garlic – No; Mushrooms – No (very tamasik!); Tea/coffee – plenty!

:-)

Best wishes

m said...

Hi folks,

Arvind:

That passage fron 'Surprassing Grace'is another proof of Bhagavan's culinary expertise. :) Thanks for sharing it. Yes, mouth-freshner, whilst consuming garlic, should come very handy, indeed.

Bhagavan is also quoted as saying that'Moderation in speech, sleep and food', are important for a sadhak'. So, over-eating goes against this injuction.

Ravi:

I had not thought about 'honey' and 'cauli-flower' in that way. The 'silver-foil' is everywhere these days. That article is spot-on.

thanks and best wishes,

Ramprax said...

Hi folks,

Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri, Guru of Paramahamsa Yogananda,
in his book "Kaivala Darsanam - The Holy Science" dwells
at length on what is the right food for humans(not just sadhakas). I am copy-pasting the relevant portions below.
Please bear with me as it is quite long. I've split into
two parts due to the length

Sri Yukteswar Giri on food, part 1:
==============================================
What is natural food for man? First, to select
our natural food, our observation should be directed
to the formation of the organs that aid in
digestion and nutrition, the teeth and digestive
canal; to the natural tendency of the organs of
sense which guide animals to their food; and to
the nourishment of the young.

Observation of teeth: By observation of the
teeth we find that in carnivorous animals the incisors
are little developed, but the canines are of
striking length, smooth and pointed, to seize the
prey. The molars also are pointed; these points,
however, do not meet, but fit closely side by side
to separate the muscular fibers.
In the herbivorous animals the incisors are
strikingly developed, the canines are stunted
(though occasionally developed into weapons, as
in elephants), the molars are broad-topped and
furnished with enamel on the sides only.
In the frugivorous all the teeth are of nearly
the same height; the canines are little projected,
conical, and blunt (obviously not intended for
seizing prey but for exertion of strength). The
molars are broad-topped and furnished at the top
with enamel folds to prevent waste caused by their
side motion, but not pointed for chewing flesh.
In omnivorous animals such as bears, on the
other hand, the incisors resemble those of the
herbivorous, the canines are like those of the carnivorous,
and the molars are both pointed and
broad-topped to serve a twofold purpose.
Now if we observe the formation of the teeth
in man we find that they do not resemble those of
the carnivorous, neither do they resemble the
teeth of the herbivorous or the omnivorous. They
do resemble, exactly, those of the frugivorous
animals. The reasonable inference, therefore, is
that man is a frugivorous or fruit-eating animal.*
([Footnote:]
* Fruit comprises any part of plant life useful to man. The fruitarian
diet referred to by Swami Sri Yukteswarji includes vegetables,
nuts, and grains. (Publisher's Note)
)

Observation of the digestive canal. By observation
of the digestive canal we find that the bowels
of carnivorous animals are 3 to 5 times the length
of their body, measuring from the mouth to the
anus; and their stomach is almost spherical. The
bowels of the herbivorous are 20 to 28 times the
length of their body and their stomach is more
extended and of compound build. But the bowels
of the frugivorous animals are 10 to 12 times the
length of their body; their stomach is somewhat
broader than that of the carnivorous and has a
continuation in the duodenum serving the purpose
of a second stomach.
This is exactly the formation we find in human
beings, though Anatomy says that the human bowels
are 3 to 5 times the length of man's body
— making a mistake by measuring the body
from the crown to the soles, instead of from mouth
to anus. Thus we can again draw the inference that
man is, in all probability, a frugivorous animal.
==============================================

Regards

Ramprax said...

Sri Yukteswar Giri on food, part 2:
==============================================
Observation of organs of sense. By observation
of the natural tendency of the organs of sense
—the guideposts for determining what is nutritious
—by which all animals are directed to their food,
we find that when the carnivorous animal finds
prey, he becomes so much delighted that his eyes
begin to sparkle; he boldly seizes the prey and
greedily laps the jetting blood. On the contrary,
the herbivorous animal refuses even his natural
food, leaving it untouched, if it is sprinkled with a
little blood. His senses of smell and sight lead him
to select grasses and other herbs for his food,
which he tastes with delight. Similarly with the
frugivorous animals, we find that their senses
always direct them to fruits of the trees and field.
In men of all races we find that their senses
of smell, sound, and sight never lead them to
slaughter animals; on the contrary they cannot
bear even the sight of such killings. Slaughterhouses
are always recommended to be removed
far from the towns; men often pass strict ordinances
forbidding the uncovered transportation
of flesh meats. Can flesh then be considered the
natural food of man, when both his eyes and his
nose are so much against it, unless deceived by
flavors of spices, salt, and sugar? On the other
hand, how delightful do we find the fragrance of
fruits, the very sight of which often makes the
mouth water! It may also be noticed that various
grains and roots possess an agreeable odor and
taste, though faint, even when unprepared. Thus
again, we are led to infer from these observations
that man was intended to be a frugivorous animal.*

Observation of the nourishment of the young.
By observation of the nourishment of the young
we find that milk is undoubtedly the food of the
newborn babe. Abundant milk is not supplied in
the breasts of the mother if she does not take
fruits, grains, and vegetables as her natural food.
Cause of disease. Hence from these observations
the only conclusion that can reasonably be
drawn is that various grains, fruits, roots, and
—for beverage—milk, and pure water openly exposed
to air and sun are decidedly the best natural
food for man. These, being congenial to the
system when taken according to the power of the
digestive organs, well chewed and mixed with
saliva, are always easily assimilated.
Other foods are unnatural to man and being
uncongenial to the system are necessarily foreign
to it; when they enter the stomach, they are not
properly assimilated. Mixed with the blood, they
accumulate in the excretory and other organs not
properly adapted to them. When they cannot find
their way out, they subside in tissue crevices by the
law of gravitation; and, being fermented, produce
diseases, mental and physical, and ultimately lead
to premature death.

Children's development. Experiment also
proves that the nonirritant diet natural to the
vegetarian is, almost without exception, admirably
suited to children's development, both physical
and mental. Their minds, understanding, will,
the principal faculties, temper, and general disposition
are also properly developed.

Natural living calms passions. We find that
when extraordinary means such as excessive fasting,
scourging, or monastic confinement are resorted
to for the purpose of suppressing the sexual
passions, these means seldom produce the
desired effect. Experiment shows, however, that
man can easily overcome these passions, the archenemy
of morality, by natural living on a nonirritant
diet, above referred to; thereby men gain a
calmness of mind which every psychologist knows
is the most favorable to mental activity and to a
clear understanding, as well as to a judicial way of
thinking.
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Regards

Arvind Lal said...

Hi Ram,

Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing!

Best wishes

m said...

Hi Ram,

Thanks for sharing. There is a book called the '80/10/10 diet' which also recommends a similar food regimen.

Best wishes,

Arvind Lal said...

An Anecdote:

The truly sattvik food is the simple food (alas, not the pastries!). The poor labourers in the story had a feast fit for the Gods, prepared by God Himself …

[From “Day by Day”; on 26.6.46]

Bhagavan was then reminded of old Keerai Patti, who used to gather all kinds of green vegetables and cook them somehow, although she was half-blind. It seems Bhagavan would thoroughly enjoy it. “In those days we would make kanji (gruel) and one aviyal with all the vegetables we had on hand. None of the fine dishes they make here now can equal the simple fare we enjoyed then. People do not realize the enjoyment of such a meal.” Bhagavan went on to say, “People don’t know how a poor man appreciates his food, simple though it often is. He comes home terribly hungry after a day’s hard work in the field or elsewhere, and then when he sits down for his meal, down goes one huge fistful after another until it looks as though he would swallow the plate as well. Your rich man sits down to a meal with all sorts of delicacies served on fine plates before him and nibbles or sips at one thing after another but relishes nothing and has no sort of satisfaction from all the luxury spread before him. Even after we came down here we still used to make kanji. At first there were a lot of men working on the premises, clearing it of cactus and levelling it, and we used to prepare a midday meal for them in addition to their wages. For them and us together we used to prepare only two dishes; a huge pot of kanji and another of all the vegetables we happened to have on hand. You can imagine the quantity when I tell you that the ladle we stirred it with was the branch of a tree. In those days I used to do all the grinding for the cooking. Once I made uppuma out of keeraithandu (greens stems). Somebody had brought a whole sack of keeraithandu and we cut the whole lot up into small bits. There were seven or eight measures of it. I added one measure of ravai to it and boiled the whole lot well and made uppuma out of it. Everyone enjoyed it as uppuma made of ravai, but when I told them how it was really made, they were not so pleased. People always like something expensive.”

Best wishes

Aham said...

Very helpful article and comments, although I have to say that Sri Bhagavan might recommend veganism if He knew about dairy industry practices of today! If the unfertilized egg of a pet hen is forbidden due to the egg itself having genetic material in it, how greater the evil to consume milk products from tortured cows and goats!

Arvind Lal said...

Yes, dairy practices today are a huge issue for anyone especially particular about whether she/he is consuming pure sattvik food or not. The cruel treatment, steroids and other drugs given to cows to increase output etc. would change the subtle essence of milk from sattvik to tamasik. I wonder what really the practical, modern day solution is - given that milk and curd are such an intrinsic part of the “vegetarian” Indian diet, and traditionally considered as sattvik a food as can be. The small time milkmen we get in the big cities these days, who keep a few cows in a shed somewhere, are even worse. The poor cows are given rotten food to eat, or left to graze on the streets near public garbage disposal sites. One is left with no option really but to buy the obligatory milk packets [from Amul & Mother Dairy for New Delhi], and hope and pray that they are able to enforce ethical standards in the dairies that supply to them. And so, certainly, turning fully vegan is one safe option.

And all the more we may appreciate the wonderful Goshala at Sri Ramanasramam, where the cows are looked after with such love and care, giving pure and sattvik milk products for the devotees!

Regards

Unknown said...

There is no aid or help needed to attain eternal bliss. There is no state of bondage to break. There is no you. There is no "I" - No matter if a being eats meat, vegetables, even dirt. The concern of what is or is not eaten is blindness that there is a being who needs to be concerned with what is right/wrong or preferred.

There is no one eating.
There is no one drinking.
There is nothing to do.
Just being.

Arvind Lal said...

Dear Anon,

You forgot to add “I am THAT!” and “Nothing ever happened” :-)

Alas, you cannot carry the “Paramarthika” viewpoint into direct practice. It is what you always keep as the ideal aimed for. It is what happens when “you” become enlightened. Else, for ordinary mortals (i.e. everybody else), the most valuable resource we are given, time, fritters away. As long as “Arvind” exists, he has to recognize that there is bondage and struggle with sadhana with every tool at hand.

Actually, it is an impossibility for “Arvind” to ever “just be”. Only when “Arvind” extinguishes, disappears, obliterates, “just Being” shines forth, and there is naught else. You cannot "just be" to obliterate "Arvind". "Arvind" has to be first obliterated by sadhana, and then "what-remains-over" can "just be".

Best wishes